Oh good.

Oh good. If you're in Virginia, teachers may soon be able to look at your child's sexual organs if they ask to use the restroom in school.

Pam Adger​ once said it was okay for a government representative to touch your 10 year old because it was allowed by the government (in regards to a 10 year old getting s full body pat down at an airport by TSA). So, she should be okay with this, too. I mean, it's just looking, right?
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/virginia-gop-bill-would-require-schools-to-verify-childrens-genitals-before-using-restroom/

Comments

Steve Thompson said…
I'm dumbfounded ... So afraid of transgenders that they open the doors to pedophilia.

Though, that said, I think the need for a transgender person to go to the bathroom that corresponds with the gender they wish they were born as is pushing political correctness too far.

I understand the desire to have the world see you the way you want to be seen but this is one of those issues where there is no way to make everyone happy. In those situations we have to favor the majority.

In a perfect world we would just have coed bathrooms, doors on all the stalls, be able to trust everyone to use them as they were intended and not have some prudish stigma attached to the opposite sex having to make a two-sie. That's never going to happen.
ShAddo Zer0ne said…
All bathroom stalls in the women's room are enclosed.
In men's, it's two or more urinals and however many stalls...how is this shit important, again.
Amanda Papa said…
The gop is crazy, however to be plainly analytical, no one is actually pushing for genital inspections. Someone simply pointed out that to actually enforce the law, you would have to. So the take away for me is that our leaders have wasted more time and money drafting up a useless bill ( which likely contains unrelated pork.) That's typical of the gop.
Belew Chpman said…
This is the important work going on in the virginia general assembly. Distraction from the real work that needs to be done!
Dark Goddess said…
Teachers in the bathroom checking children's private parts. Was this bill sponsored by NAMBLA?
Tobias Harms said…
Steve Thompson​, I wouldn't call it political correct to let people use the bathroom they are comfortable in. I would guess that the problem is girls born in boys bodies. These girls are more likely to get hurt if they are forced to go to boys restroom.

My suggestion is to convert the stalls to toilet "rooms" with walls and thick real doors, remove the door to restroom area and make them coed. This isn't a perfect world fantasy, this is simply how we do it in Sweden. You (as you in the US) are stuck in your idea of what a restroom is supposed to look like. It wouldn't take long to change though.
Steve Thompson said…
Tobias Harms I agree with the second half that it shouldn't take long to change but the reality is it won't change in America for a very long time, if ever.

On the first half, the PC comes in with this;

You can have effeminate men without them being gay.
You can have masculine men without them being hetero.
You can have 'butch' women who aren't lesbians.
You can have 'girly' women who aren't hetero. (not sure what the proper adjectives would be there but you get the point)

You can also have children who understand enough about their sexuality and their personalities to understand that they are a girl in a boys body and vice versa? This is a complicated subject for adults but children get it?

That's why I think it's political correctness taken too far. I don't think a child has enough information to determine the difference between being an effeminate boy and being a girl in a boys body (and vice versa obviously).
Tobias Harms said…
I haven't researched it that much but I have read of cases of children as young as preschool being very adamant not be called a boy or girl. So yes I do believe that children can tell the difference.
Dark Goddess said…
Steve Thompson That's a simple enough thing to figure out. You just ask transgendered people if they knew when they were kids, and the answer is usually, yes, they knew, they were adamant about it, but no one would take them seriously.

So what if we did listen to our children? If they were wrong, no harm done, they can just switch back. If they were right, and we force them into being the gender their brains are telling them they aren't, we do irreversible harm to their developing psyche.

Nowadays, psychologists are telling us not to even force our kids to hug people they don't want to hug, because we're teaching them they don't have the right to their own body. And in many ways children are regarded as the property of their parents, and that attitude allows us to do great harm if we aren't careful.
Tobias Harms said…
Totally agree Kayci Morgan​. Transgendered people are more prone to depression and suicide and I would guess being forced to act the wrong gender for so many years have big part of it.

I might find it fun to play a girl for a day but a week, a month, a year?
Steve Thompson said…
Kayci Morgan Ok. For the sake of discussion, and possibly my own education, what is the difference between a girl who wants to do typically boy activities and a girl who thinks she should have been born a boy?

What I am asking is, what is the basis of this feeling?

Gender attractions are something that can be quantified. You can quantify them by your bodies reactions. You see a man / woman and either are or aren't attracted. Your body reacts.

What is the feeling "I'm in the wrong body" based on if not gender attractions? ...and if the decision is based even slightly on gender attractions wouldn't that imply the person feels they should be in a different body to avoid stigmas associated with being gay/lesbian?
Dark Goddess said…
Steve Thompson If that were the case, then most trans people would be straight after transition but only 25% are. And keep in mind there is more stigma associated with being trans than gay.

When they study the brains of MtF transgendered people they find similarities with the female brain. So they probably know the same way anyone knows anything about themselves. I'm sure if my mom told me I had to play with trucks and learn to play football and do all male things something would have felt off for me.

What about you? Would you have been perfectly comfortable raised as a girl? If not, assume someone had the same brain as you, but girl parts. Their head would be like NONONONONO!
Steve Thompson said…
Kayci Morgan Let’s take this back to the beginning again because it seems like we’re getting side-tracked with a discussion of gender roles vs. the bathroom a transgender person uses. Admittedly some of my arguments strayed off into transexuality so I'll take the blame on that one

We all seem to be agreeing that girls shouldn't be forced to do 'girly' things and boys shouldn't be forced to do 'manly' things. Let the child choose what activity brings them enjoyment.

Now, if we set that aside, then the discussion is purely about whether a child who has a penis should be allowed into a girls bathroom (and vice versa) when the bathrooms aren't coed and are literally designed around the genitalia a person has.

In a split bathroom situation, I find it to be too politically correct for us to allow a child without a penis to tell us they want to use the bathroom designed for penises (and, as always, vice versa). As Tobias stated, the single coed bathrooms eliminate the issue but I don't see that happening for a very long time.
Dark Goddess said…
Steve Thompson It's not about being PC. It's a pointless divide that's tormenting people for no reason. People go into stalls, they do their business, they wash their hands and leave. They aren't in there bumping genitals or anything. So it doesn't matter what they are packing to go pee.

We had a woman at my old job, and women complained about her using the ladies room because they didn't feel safe. How many people go through that much pain and scorn just to rape women in the ladies room? Zero. There are zero people pretending to be trans women to rape other women.

And keep in mind, we're talking school kids. So puberty hasn't even set in and no one knows what's in these kids pants without checking. So if we send a person that has girl parts that everyone perceives as a boy into the boys bathroom, nothing happens. They pee, they wash their hands, they come out. I doubt they'd even see a dick at the urinal because they'd probably use the stalls. But if we send a person into the bathroom with boy parts who is perceived as a girl, the chance of rape goes up WAY higher, and if not raped, then at least a severe beating.

So in the name of pushing a sex = gender agenda we'd put real children in incredible danger. If anything is social manipulation, it's that.

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