Next time someone tells you oil pipelines are safe for the environment, pull out this post and show them they're not.

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Next time someone tells you oil pipelines are safe for the environment, pull out this post and show them they're not.

#NoDAPL #KeystonePipeline
http://www.citylab.com/weather/2016/11/30-years-of-pipeline-accidents-mapped/509066/?_utm_source=1-2-2

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Garnie Bolling said…
is there an alternative ? I dont think so ... we need oil, we depend on it... how do you plan on shipping crude from the wells to the refineries ? and the goods to the rest of us ? I believe there is no clear answer, I am an advocate for safety and conservation, but we cant just stop pipelines... no matter how you cut it... we need to protect the environments, but we also have a strong dependence on the finished goods of crude...
January 26, 2017 at 8:23 PM
Jason ON said…
Build refineries closer to the oil production? Move of of the oil standard in the first place? Advances in wind and solar are making that easier and more affordable.
January 27, 2017 at 8:41 AM
Garnie Bolling said…
yeah, that is a start, but know that there are more restrictions on building refineries than pipelines... also we cant move off of oil... not all the crude is for energy... it is also chemicals... think fertilizer, plastics, meds... up to 40% (some say a low as 25%) of crude is for our everyday lives, not energy... 60% (some say up to 75%) is for lubrication and for energy... so, we cant move off the oil standard, we can reduce the dependency of energy products from crude, but solar, wind, wave cant make chemicals, and materials we depend... I agree moving towards harvesting energy from solar / wind is a good move, a must even, the movement / storage and use of that energy still requires byproducts of crude... like my cell phone... plastic, adhesive and the chemicals that make the circuits... until we find another tech that can make those, we are destined to stick with moving crude... hence the pipelines.
January 27, 2017 at 9:03 AM
Jason ON said…
Plastics can be made from a variety of substances that are better for the environment than crude. Hemp, for example.
January 27, 2017 at 12:22 PM
Garnie Bolling said…
Jason ON but the rest of the materials, we would be hard pressed... again, we need crude... cheers.
January 27, 2017 at 12:52 PM
Jason ON said…
Garnie Bolling Your argument is predicated on the idea that current supply and demand is not balanced, that we have too much demand and not enough supply and therefore need to increase supply via these new pipelines. As I stated earlier, there are other methods to produce plastics. Cleaner and greener methods than the ancient technology we currently use. If our manufacturing switched over to the newer cleaner greener methodology then there wouldn't be a need for increased oil production. This also goes for other green energy production. Have more solar, needs less oil/gas powered electrical plants. Have more wind, have less need for fossil fuels to create electricity. Have more electric cars ... are you seeing a pattern here, yet?
January 29, 2017 at 2:56 PM
Garnie Bolling said…
Jason ON not arguing that more sustainable energy is the future, working in that field now, but the forgone conclusion, to the comment, we get rid of oil, is that we can not... and we need to move that oil and products created by oil by some means, either pipe, truck or sea... no getting around it... my point is... you can block on pipeline, but there are hundreds of thousands of existing pipelines that are old and need to be replaced or shut down, and blocking new ones, well, we rely on the old stuff... just food for thought....
February 1, 2017 at 8:57 PM
Jason ON said…
And my argument is that the infrastructure is already there. The demand or need for more infrastructure does not exist and as more green energy takes market from petroleum there will not be a need for additional infrastructure.
February 2, 2017 at 12:59 PM
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