The further I get into my first attempt at a novel the more I realize my first chapters were terrible.

The further I get into my first attempt at a novel the more I realize my first chapters were terrible. I'm really going to dread the re-write/edit phase. Even when I go back to verify something I wonder if that guy graduated high school much less college.

Also, I'm finding I wrote too much that doesn't add to the story. Sure, it adds to the protagonist, gives him some more depth, but it doesn't really add to the story. And after 16 chapters (each about 13 pages long) I'm finally getting to the mean and potatoes of the story I want to write. 

Apparently I'm wordier than I thought I'd ever be when writing. ;)

Is anyone else critical of themselves?

Comments

That's what is first draft for :-)

You brainstorm everything and after you are done, you throw it away and start over.
(well, without the throwing away part, that would be really hardcore rewriting:-) )
Gregory Lynn said…
Pardon me while I laugh.

I go through phases where the self loathing is almost, but not quite palpable.
Jason ON said…
I'm thinking about it, to be honest. Right now it's first person and I thought: I wonder how this would read in third person? Maybe when I rewrite I'll rewrite in third person and see how it goes.

That's how I managed through college. Spend weeks on a paper, not like it the night before it's due and perform a feat of heroism in writing a completely new paper in 10 hours or less.
Gregory Lynn said…
Finish it first is my suggestion.
Yep. Keep going anyway, that's what I did; I was glad to make to the end. Also got that surge about half way through, like you have after 16 chapters. 
Reading all kind of advice from members in the past few months, I've come to find the distance necessary with work, by distance I mean detachment that allows me to accept beta reader's critiques and any critique for that matter. 
To your point on being critical of ourselves, I don't see how we could not, given we want to produce the best possible work; and the more I've read other good work, the more critical I am of my own. Then I take a deep breath and say to myself, I'm not an editor; I'd rather go by the editor's critique than my own.
Jason ON said…
As a photographer I always see other people's works and think I'll never be that good. The I occasionally someone I respect like my work. Very surreal.
James Britt said…
If you're writing, you're winning.
heychrisfox said…
I'm extremely critical of myself. I love it though. Since I show so few people my work, my inner critic needs to be really foul-mouthed and mean. I thrive off of the self-hate, because I know it's all constructive. Just remember, for yourself, not to be disappointed in your own writing. As I tell all writers I meet who are concerned about their rewrites: your first draft is designed to be a heaping wad of crap. As long as you have crap to work with, you can polish it into something shiny. :)
James Britt said…
I'm hypercritical of myself as well, so I have to remind myself that at some point I have to release stuff.  Endless revisions and tweaks are not releasing.  Sadly  I do not possess any magic formula for knowing when good enough is good enough.
heychrisfox said…
James Britt I know the magical formula: never. It is never good enough, and never will be. If you release your masterpiece tomorrow, you will be finding hated mistakes 30 years from now.

The key is to realize you can never produce a perfect peace of art. Get it to a point where it is acceptable and interesting, and let the art connoisseurs do the rest. :P
Brian Meeks said…
I write my novels, for the most part, as serials. I put up a little over 1000 words per day on my blog. I'm not saying it would work for you or anyone else, but I do get feedback from readers, which is nice.

Also, It makes me write everyday, which is also a plus.

Are they posts perfect? No, but it keeps me moving forward.

I think if you are writing, then you're moving in the right direction. Good for you. Keep at it.
James Britt said…
Chris Fox  "Get it to a point where it is acceptable and interesting,"  

That's what I meant by good enough to be good enough.

One problem with saying something doesn't have to be perfect is that it can just shift the problem to  "Just how _much less than perfect?"

At some point you just need to say, "Screw it. How bad can it be?"
First drafts are usually so pathetic, I'd never want anyone to read them or I'd make a fool out of myself. For many discovery writers, the first draft is what in other words is called 'outlining' done by planners. It's a good thing you see where your faults lie and where you can fix them. Haha yes, it's a relief when we get to the part of the story we really want to write past all the base setting although it's the beginning chapters that are crucial.
Amelia Bauer said…
If you ever meet a writer who says they DON'T feel insecure about their work, then they are lying through their teeth.

So don't sweat it.

All you can do is keep writing. Different strategies work for different people, but I usually just keep writing and moving forward even if I know the beginning is crap. Sometimes you just need to finish the entire thing, and then hide the novel away for about a month or so. After that you should be in a good position to sit back, re-read the whole thing, and see the big picture with fresh eyes.

And then you can tear it apart.

Good luck with your writing! :) Remember: you only fail if you give up.
Brian Meeks said…
Amelia Bauer That is a stereo type, just like being a drunk, wearing brown sweaters, being depressed, suicidal, and angry and bitter.

I'm would not say I'm insecure at all. I don't drink. I'm not suicidal. I do have a brown sweater I love and have an angry and bitter streak in me, though. Still, I don't think you can lump all writers into the insecure group.
Amazingly, this happens to me only when I thoroughly outline things before writing and when I have been working on something for a really long time. I sometimes discovery write to see whether I can produce things instantaneously. When I do that, the insecurity level drops by 90%. I don't know why. Maybe because I do not have a story in mind. My best guess is this insecurity thing happens when you have an almost perfect story playing on your head and when you read the version you wrote, it doesn't quite live up to your expectations, because you have seen the much better version. Something like a bad big screen representation of a book.
Bob Bryan said…
You have to be critical while at the same time, not beat yourself up. I find that my initial draft contains the "meat and potatoes" needed but I just need to spice it up or stir it around. It becomes the hearty stew I wanted, and to add more insult to my writing here - it will thicken as it stands and blend together nicely. It's your crummy draft that usually becomes the inspired ending. Right?
I don't mind editing to be honest, but as a programmer, I'm used to writing code that fails. And rewriting it to fix, and that fails. And so on, until it works. The point is knowing when it works - when it is optimal. If you can spot it, you're much better off than those who do write like high-school drop-outs. Don't be lazy just because you've got a good eye. Make that eye's sight worth its while.
heychrisfox said…
James Britt Something you write is always awesome until proven otherwise with logical evidence. :P
Meliha Avdic said…
Is there anyone else critical of themselves??? HERE!!!! (arm up in the air, waving like a maniac) :)

I published my first book, Just Another Life after my friends, family and no less than 6 strangers told me it was great. I still look back at it and wonder what I could have done better.

Been a little more confident with my second book, A Waltz with Aphrodite, because it is simpler and very different to JAL.

I know 'Girl of the Feathr-Spear' will torment me (the strange thing is I look forward to it :)), Notes from the Underground; London Style will be all right... etc etc - let's not get into it too much :)

But, when it comes to characters, I don't think you can have too much depth. However, I like to tell something 'unique' about the world and through that give my character his/her character :) - now, what is this an exapmle of?
Phil Simpkin said…
The more I write, the less I like what I started with. I am about 30% into my second novel, and it is so different from my first, which introduces a series of novels with main characters common to all. I don't want to waste my first, but the second is such stronger in terms of plot and characterisation. Consequently I am doing a major re-write of the first, contrary to the best advice of my principal critic! What a way to learn, and yes, I am hyper-self-critical!
lol Clarke O'Gara - I write mostly on my old BlackBerry, so I can only see a paragraph at a time XD
Holly Bush said…
My daughter read one of my novels and said, "You have to drop the first 3 chapters." I didn't want to because I really loved how the story opened and I thought the writing was some of my best. She said, "The prose is beautiful but who gives a crap? The story doesn't really start till the 4th chapter." She was right. I dumped the first 35 pages and the book was much, much better. (I did save those first 35 pages on a thumb drive though.)
Niklas Liiv said…
Jason ON I couldn't said it better myself... :D. It's damn good not to be alone :).
Charles Barouch said…
We are all feel brilliant when we write and feel stupid when we edit.
Dorien Grey said…
Welcome to the world of writing, Jason. I've got more than 20 books under my belt and I still have doubts. As to your protagonist, don't forget that he IS part of the story. Finding a balance can be frustrating, but it's worth it in the long run.
I wrote my first couple of attempts at novels in high school.  It's probably a good thing that I can't find the manuscripts for those...  Some pieces you write just to clear the pipes and work through other issues, not everything is meant to see the light of day.

I tend to reach a point in most projects where I hate it and want it to die.  My 2011 NaNo in particular I was very much irritated with, and I stopped dead at 50,000 words and tossed it aside in disgust.  But going back to read it a few months later, I found that it actually has some potential.  The plot is still terrible, but the characters are pretty awesome, and I still love the first chapter.  I was right to recognize that it has issues, but they're not as bad as I feared in the heat of the moment.  That hatred is usually just burnout and a result of not even being able to see the trees for the cracks in the bark, to say nothing of the forest.  A little distance and perspective usually allows for more honest evaluation.
Amelia Bauer said…
+BrianMeeks I think maybe I came across as a little too hyperbolic. I don't mean to say that every writer is drunk or suicidal. I just meant that every writer at some point sits back and says "Am I really good enough to do this?" or "Is what I've just written any good at all?"

I just wanted to make the point that all writers have their moments of doubts. Some writers just handle these doubts better than others, but those doubts are still there.

Sorry if I offended you.
Amelia Bauer said…
Brian Meeks sorry, the tag didn't work in my last comment...
Amelia Bauer said…
Farhan Mosavi Thanks! No, that's a bookshelf at my house. I have a lot books....
Every good writer is critical of themselves. Every bad writer is sure they're already awesome (and they aren't).
Dorien Grey said…
What Amanda said! I always liked the quote from the famous sculptor who was asked how he created such beautiful work. He said: "I just see what is inside a block of marble and keep chipping away until I've freed it." The same is true of writing. Just be patient and keep at it. It'll come.

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