Robert Glover turned off commenting after getting in his last word.

Robert Glover turned off commenting after getting in his last word. That's one of my biggest pet peeves on social media.

Anywho, I don't agree with lane splitting. Having sat in traffic a gazillion times in both my truck and on my motorcycle, I feel it's safer to have my allotted space in traffic than it is to split between cars.

Maybe Robert Glover has never had to sit in traffic or deal with road rage from someone who's had a bad day at work, or who's running late, or spilled their coffee on their lap and now that damned motorcyclist is jumping to the front of the line. 

I don't want to lane split and have someone decide to open their car door on me, or turn into the lane to block me, or get out of their car to try and grab my handlebars or any of a dozen other ways to mess with a motorcyclist. Especially when (in Colorado and a few other states) helmets, jackets and gloves aren't mandatory and too many riders are out there without protective gear.

I don't support lane splitting. It's my opinion, but Robert Glover doesn't like my opinion, so instead of having a conversation about the subject, he turned off commenting on his post. 

Well, I won't turn off commenting on this one, so feel free to discuss.

Originally shared by Rob G

There's a poll that we need to attack.. so far, the naysayers are winning.  We need to reverse that!  Please vote in favor of lane splitting!
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/16/rideapart-defends-lane-splitting-on-motorcycles-w-poll/

Comments

Nelson Peraza said…
No way lane, sharing is not a good idea at all. I agree with you Jason.
Jason Hubbard said…
Sorry, but in some circumstances I have to disagree. I live in Arizona where we get to over 115 degrees on a regular basis. Since I ride in full gear year round, albeit textile and mesh gear in the summer, it is still extremely unpleasant to sit in traffic if there is an accident miles ahead on the freeway and you're not moving anywhere.

One day I was stuck in 117 degrees with a full face helmet, jacket, riding pants, boots, and engine heat being forced back into me from my radiator fan. After an hour and 45 minutes and only having lived half a mile, I was getting faint and started feeling symptoms of heat stroke. So I said "To Hell with the law right now" and split lanes to get off the freeway and start moving again.

I made it home after another 25 minutes but was in pretty bad shape the rest of the day. So while I may agree that it's not a good idea to make a habit of it, it isn't inherently bad or unadvisable in certain situations.
Jason ON said…
I've sat in traffic in 95+ temps here in Colorado moving at a snail's pace, and at a border crossing in Nogales in June for over an hour. Always in full gear and I wear a leather jacket, no mesh for me.

I would consider using the shoulder before lane splitting, but even then, all it takes is a pissed off person to run their car into you and that "jumping the line" doesn't seem like such a good idea anymore.
Jason Hubbard said…
I wasn't jumping the line. I was getting off the freeway from the far left lane. No shoulder to speak of until you get to the right. I did take the shoulder when I got there and never exceeded 10mph. I wasn't exactly moving at a dangerous speed.

Also 95 doesn't compare to 117. You know the difference between 95 and 75? Now go the other way on the thermometer. It's a huge difference and there is no doubt in my mind that I made the right decision to take the "risk" on that one occasion.
Jason ON said…
I know the temps aren't the same, but 117 in mesh isn't the same in 95+ (see the plus?) in leather. That day in Nogales, I'm not sure what the temp was since I didn't have access to a thermometer, but I can tell you it was hot.

And whether or not you consider yourself having "jumped the line", I'm sure someone else, or a number of someones else, considered you a line jumper.

Whether you're at 10MPH, 3MPH or 20MPH, if a car opens it's door on you, or someone jumps out and grabs your bike, or hits you with something, the result is the same.

Not to mention, we're not talking about individuals here. We're talking about the tens of thousands of motorcyclists out there as well. Everyone thinks they're a good driver/rider, but not everyone is. One guy goes 10MPH and the next tries to slip through at 40. One guy keeps his mouth shut and another is yelling at drivers "sucks to be you" thus giving motorcylists a bad name and enraging unstable people.

The simple fact is, motorcycle riders are always at a disadvantage when confronting a cage. It's best to keep those confrontations to a minimum instead of opening the doors to more of them.
Tim Stalford said…
As I said in the other thread, I don't do it now, nor do I need it now...  but having it as an option would be nice.  I ride in full gear, for now I also ride a liquid cooled bike...  soon I will also have an air cooled bike. as rider I want as many tools/options available for me to use so that I can make it home after each ride.  If splitting/sharing is one of those tools, then so be it.
Jason Hubbard said…
That's fine, dude. Do what you gotta do. I would do what I did again without hesitation if I'm about to pass out.

I'd like to see some cager try to grab my bike. It would be the last thing they did on this Earth. And at 10, I'm pretty sure I can avoid a car door.

Like I said, I did it once and I don't think it's a good standard practice. If it ever comes to that again, I'll be careful, but please don't go imposing your opinion onto all riding situations when you don't know what it felt like sitting in traffic that day.
Nelson Peraza said…
Wow those guys bring up a few good points. I think it would be of some benefit to be able to pull all the way to the front of an intersection. That's the biggest pro for me. Not having to constantly keep an eye on my rear view mirror looking out for stupid drivers. You have my vote.
In Madrid our previous mayor was a biker, and he set up a system to protect motorcycles at stoplights by creating a Motorbikes Only zone between the crosswalk and the rest of the traffic. This ensures that drivers can all see you most important) because you're there in front of them. The only way to get to the zone though is by lane-splitting, and it rarely causes trouble. American drivers are weird in that for some reason, they get angry if a bike gets to go forward when they can't. As if it were the biker's fault, or as if by harming that biker, the drivers would progress faster. That's just selfishness and mean spirited behavior that I don't see around here too much. Regardless of your take on lanesplitting, though, remember that your real biggest threat is at every intersection, that 75% of the accidents involve a driver who turns but doesn't see you coming.
As for me I will not lane split. I will use the shoulder if traffic is at a standstill and will stay that way and I can get to an exit, only if the shoulder is wide enough. I worked in the medical field. I have seen the results of lane splitting, I have seen the results of biker running up under tractor trailer, cagers hitting bikers, bikers hitting cagers. All of which the biker came out on the losing side. THe heat is the reason why I always carry several bottles of water with me when I ride.
As for riding side by side with another bike, I see no reason not to. Lanes are wide enough for 2 bikes to ride side by side. Here, GA law says ride staggered.
Jim Ridings said…
I am all for making it legal, but as I said I would be hesitant to lane split in Texas - the cagers here are dangerous
Jason ON said…
Cagers everywhere are dangerous. ;)

I'm really surprised Robert Glover hasn't chimed in yet. I mean, this was his topic to begin with.
Sizzler Dave said…
In the uk its common practise to split lanes , the police say its fine if done at a safe slow speed , I find it strange that the usa has so many restrictions on it.
When you consider most accidents happen at junctions and roundabouts, especially here in the uk , splitting lane or filtering as we call it is the norm...
If ever you guys get chance get over to the isle of man, try overtaking the police at 100 mph and them not winking an eye...awesome, even better when the coppers pass you at 110 mph....
Glad I bike in the uk...although the cops here are getting pretty bad.
Jason ON said…
So, I just caught this video about lane splitting. I don't speak whatever it is they're speaking, but the video says it all. Especially at about 1:30: Mike9mmm no Cidade Alerta

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