I live in a rural (red, #DonaldTrump supporting) county and the local library is hosting this program, Dissent and...


I live in a rural (red, #DonaldTrump supporting) county and the local library is hosting this program, Dissent and National Security in the Founding Era. Although it's supposed to be non-partisan, all the books they're promoting are conservative in nature and now the discussion in the room seems to be all pro-conservstive ideologies.

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Jason ON said…
One lady just went on a tirade about how slavery was "just labor and we needed labor to build a nation." She also said thr Constitution is not s living document. Also blasting ObamaCare and saying the government doesnt need any money (taxes).
Well, according to what I have been taught. YES! No matter what, by the definition of the Constitution we have the right to speak out for or against anyone or anything. Even the right to cause a political figure harm was not defined till well after the Constitution was written. There for it could be considered a interpretation.
Simon Vince said…
Is hate speech a crime in the USA? It is in Canada, so they take that speech away and, in my opinion, rightfully so. And I'm glad it is. I'm not for hurt feelings, nor am I against hurting them, but, hate speech is one of those things I don't tolerate.

Edit: Just did a search - nope. You're free to say whatever the fuck you want. Lawyers WILL use what was said during a hate act (crime) though.
Terence Reale said…
It's gaslighting..... The regime is looking for recruits
Simon Vince YES! Most emphatically! It is both our saving grace and our down fall. Removing ones right to speak allows justice to be the deciding factor. It may not be always good. But the right of free people are protected by the fact that we can speak for or against those that claim to represent us.
Terence Reale Define recruits.
Christopher Gaul not really sure how to take that picture. Conceptually, that could be my ex
I'm just saying that between this and the OP now there's balance in the force. ;')
Christopher Gaul LMAO
Jason ON said…
At the end there was a woman who insisted the US was a Christian nation, thst the Constitution was a christian document and that courts hsve routineky upheld the supremacy of Christianity ovrr other religions. I just kept shsking my head.
Jason ON the Constitution was originally framed under the thought of religious freedom.
Jason ON said…
My previous comment is what it looks like when autocorrect stops working.
Jason ON Kinda figured
Terence Reale said…
Curtis Edenfield people who can be used
Jason ON Well, to be fair, the Left gets it wrong too. They confuse freedom OF religion with freedom FROM religion. Vastly different concepts in reality.
They also often believe that the idea of "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution. It is not. Properly read, Article I is all about keeping the State out of the Church and not the inverse.
Because of gross ignorance, poor education, and willful misrepresentation, people forget the historical context of the entire concept. That being King Henry VIII tossing the Catholic Church and creating his own lite version that allowed divorce just so he could get divorced, marry his mistress, and have a legitimate male heir. To make sure they did what he wanted, he made himself (the Monarchy) the head of the Church. This is specifically the type of meddling in their religion that the Founding Fathers were trying to prevent. Not, for example, preventing prayer in schools or Ten Commandments plaques in court houses. The former which was pretty much a defacto standard in schools at the time and up until the middle of the last century, and the latter which probably wasn't unheard of, and certainly not un-Constitutional.
The problem really is about the view of the Constitution. The Right typically views the Constitution as a fixed set up rules and guidelines not meant to be fiddled with in order to protect them from being fiddled out of existence.
The Left chooses to view the Constitution as everything from a rough set of guidelines meant to bend and change with the flow of the prevailing societal winds, to an annoyance that prevents them from implementing their will (not hyperbole, Ginsberg has said pretty much exactly that).
The latter group is responsible for creating the rulings and opinions that have created such concepts as the modern idea of Separation of Church and State and Judicial Activism.
These are the facts of the matter, but of course some people do not like these facts and want to change them. That's their right. It's also the right of others to try and stop them. The conflict is eternal.
Terence Reale said…
Christopher Gaul I do not believe in God.... But uttered Jesus on reading this.
Forget about the past, forget about the Constitution.....
Is everything alright right now?
Are you happy?
Do you like what's happening?
Terence Reale so facts only matter to you when they're convenient. How nice for you.
Terence Reale said…
Christopher Gaul I know we are not gonna see eye to eye, and if I'm not mistaken you're Canadian, which I don't raise to state that you don't have the ability to know the US. Correct me on that if I'm wrong. I am facing the collapse of my Nation due to it's flaws and the influence of backwards thinking. Are you happy?
Jason ON said…
It's not the #Left distorting the separation clause, it's SCOTUS precedent.
Jason ON And those SCOTUS members leaned which way again? Yeah. Thought so.
Terence Reale said…
Christopher Gaul are you happy with a legal system and society dominated by barbaric religion?
Terence Reale
"...and if I'm not mistaken you're Canadian, which I don't raise to state that you don't have the ability to know the US...."

Well, to ease your concerns on this, I lived in the U.S. as a (LEGAL) immigrant for several decades, and I lived and worked in more of it than most Americans I know. Aside from that I am married to an American, and have two American brothers so I get my fill of the "American Perspective".

The difference is I'm not indoctrinated to accept either the Right or Left versions of American thinking. I have the ability to view it as an outsider, while understanding it like an insider.
Terence Reale said…
Awesome thanks for the explanation. Now answer one question please. Do you like the direction of the US? Are you in favor of a more "right" wing government and society using "Christian" values and ideas as basis for law?
WOW! Jason ON you started a fire!
Terence Reale
Wow, clearly you have a different perspective of what's going on than I do and I don't really want to get into that.
Regarding the direction, I'm happier about where I see it headed now than where it was headed between 2000 and 2016.
You probably would be too if you got outside and looked around the country and figured out for yourself what's going on rather than relying on others to tell you what's going on.
Terence Reale said…
Christopher Gaul thank you. Having lived in Europe and having still many European friends still I am shocked by what's happening here, and saddened beyond my ability to express that everyone isn't. Maga..... Sad
Terence Reale said…
I believe you are brainwashed. I don't require any further proof that you support facism. It's really gross.
haha. OK, well. You just believe what you want then.
Terence Reale said…
How could an intelligent person think fascism is good? How can a person who is Christian rationalize following with cult like devotion a man who is unchristian? I have to conclude it's impossible to reconcile these things in a free mind, so I have to conclude you're brainwashed.

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