So, Minnesota would rather people not be able to advance themselves without the officiating organization paying a...

So, Minnesota would rather people not be able to advance themselves without the officiating organization paying a fee, first?

Do libraries have to pay a fee to lend books? Do documentaries put together by universities have to pay a fee first? If I move into the state and give away old college text books, do I have to pay a fee first?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/evapereira/2012/10/19/minnesota-bans-free-online-education/

Comments

Brenda Curtis said…
That's   all kinds of stupid.
Glenard Munson said…
isn't this the same state with the idiotic ReBullycans in the news lately?
Jason ON said…
Possibly, Glenard Munson.
Doug Davis said…
Glenard Munson no you are thinking of Wisconsin.
Ben Fullerton said…
You don't have to be edumacated to see how stupid this is.

They better tax the internet. There's free learning all over that thing.
Doug Davis said…
The title is misleading. It was not a new decision.
It just means we have to change the laws. It is a old and out of date law on the books. I suspect the law will be changed real soon because the University of Minnesota has shown interest in offering free course online.
Jason ON said…
U of Minnesota has, presumably, already paid their fee. Either way, it wouldn't prohibit them from offering free courses outside the state.
Glenard Munson said…
thnx, Doug Davis but I was thinking of pawlenty and Bachmann...but yeah, Wisconsin is up there too!
Jason ON said…
Doug Davis, the article states that the law is not new, just being applied to out of state online programs.
I am not from this America, but damn you Americans or rather your leaders are stupid.
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Don't look at me!  I think (the bst) education is a privilege, not a right..

*ducks and runs*
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
I mean, come on.  This Coursera service...is a business, no?  Put yourself in the shoes of a business owner...do you expect to run one without any expense like this?  Even the smallest sole proprietorship should register an assumed name, which is $25 here in MN.  So yes, the state can do what it wants in this case, and I see nothing wrong with Minnesota wanting the service to pay to register with the state to offer degrees.
Education should be a right for everyone. Without any education how will people get knowledge and evolve
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Post high school education? No.
In sweden all education is FREE
Jason ON said…
So, Bobbi Jo Woods, Google should have to register in Minnesota to offer you GMail? Facebook should have to register in Minnesota to off you their services? Spotify, Amazon and a gazillion others?
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
A service with a monetary value, yes...in this case a degree costs money.
Jason ON said…
But a "free" certificate of completion doesn't cost anything. it's free.

And let's be fair, a degree costs absolutely nothing monetarily. Teachers, facilities, books -- these things cost money.
wow I could never live in america.
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Minnesota has some of the best university education, in my opinion.  The beef is with universities, not with students or Coursera,
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
^quote taken from the article*
Thats payed with tax money, teachers facilities and so on
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Yes, and the money taxpayers put into the state and the money MN gets from the federal gov't is constantly going toward stuff that helps people who are 'unable' to help themselves, which is b.s. in many cases.  That's why I prefer to give to private organizations.
the value of a degree isn't that the knowledge acquired from studying
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Knowledge is capital in this era.
Jason ON said…
Even the cost isn't there. When you pay for college you're paying for the teachers, labs, facilities, etc. You can't just walk up to a school, hand them $100,000 and ask for your degree. And even if you pay, there's no guarantee you'll receive a degree.

And, I never said the value of a degree was nothing, I said a degree has no monetary value. If it did, you could, in reality, exchange money for the degree with no other effort put forth.
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Knowledge = actual experience or skills acquired by employees/individuals. Can certainly be attributed 

You can buy degrees! LOL, they're not legit, but they are out there.
Jason ON said…
But let's get back to the other topic, should Wikipedia have to pay to provide their database of knowledge?
Free info should be free. Everywhere
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Wikipedia is run by individual volunteers and completely exists with donations and probably seed money, perhaps even helped along with angel investors...and while I agree that no, it should not charge, I do think if it were a paid service I would pay for it, as long as the data provided was guaranteed to be valid.  Much of the information on Wikipedia cannot always be cited properly as being true.
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Further... it is a for-profit company, currently they are not generating revenue.

So is MN is being a bitch?  Sure, saying hey, pay up to be licensed or don't offer course services in our state
I see nothing wrong with it at all.  Information may be free, but education is not, intrinsically...not at all.
Jason ON said…
But your premise is:
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Bobbi Jo Woods 2:30 PM
I mean, come on.  This Coursera service...is a business, no?  Put yourself in the shoes of a business owner...do you expect to run one without any expense like this?  Even the smallest sole proprietorship should register an assumed name, which is $25 here in MN.  So yes, the state can do what it wants in this case, and I see nothing wrong with Minnesota wanting the service to pay to register with the state to offer degrees.
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Wikipedia is a business, no? It may be a foundation but a foundation is really nothing more than a not for profit business.

That aside, Coursera is a business and offers a service. So is Amazon. Is Amazon registered to provide goods in the state of Minnesota? 

The aforementioned Google is a business, did Google pay a fee to operate in Minnesota? AOL? Yahoo? How about the New York Times? Can they not be delivered in Minnesota without NYT paying a fee in the state?

But, let's look at States' rights. The 10th Amendment of the Constitution allows states to make their own laws where the Constitution does not reserve responsibilities to the Legislature, the Executive or the Judicial branches.

While Minnesota's law might have made sense for a hundred years (or, however old that law is), the internet and e-services are inter-state commerce. Only the federal Congress has the right to regulate inter-state commerce. And by adding a fee to an out of state business so they may do business in your state is inter-state commerce violation.

Now, if Coursera (which itself doesn't offer any degrees, it merely facilitates the school/student relationship) were to register as a business in Minnesota, then perhaps we'd be having a different conversation. However, even if they did, since they themselves do not provide degree, we may not, especially since, per the article, Minnesota wants to charge each individual school associated with Coursera the fee to operate within the state, even when they have no presence within the state.

Also, does Minnesota's policy apply to the Khan Academy?
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
Wonder if their high incidence of plagiarism cases have anything to do with Minnesota's issue with them, and this is just a move by them or something?
Jason ON said…
Not to get off track, but do you remember when Wikipedia shut down for the day to protest SOPA and the social-mediaverse went into an uproar by students who claimed they wouldn't be able to write their papers or complete their assignments now?

I don't think Coursera is the cause of plagiarism, but rather their enrollment numbers are just larger than the average university.
Bobbi Jo Woods said…
inb4 copied shit from Wikipedia 

lulz j/k
Jason ON said…
I signed up for a Coursera course. Something about debating and arguing. Hasn't started yet.
Tony Corrow said…
Don't confuse education with intelligence.  Minnesotax isn't doing this to protect their citizens from receiving a less than Minnesota quality education - it's pocket lining.  ...and from the U of Minn's perspective, takes someone out of their classroom and from paying their tuition.

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