Given what President Obama has had to deal with since taking office, the hurdles he's had to overcome, he's been...
Given what President Obama has had to deal with since taking office, the hurdles he's had to overcome, he's been incredibly successful. Had the GOP not spent 8 year obstructing progress the USA could have been much further along in making the country better than it was after eight years of GWB.
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the very same tune. Where would you get the idea that I would suggest
otherwise?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html
You blow up a country, without any plan to manage the chaos, And You Don't Contain The Enemy, you are responsible for what happens next.
Instead Bush does a photo opp on an aircraft carrier to claim "Mission Accomplished!"
So that really doesn't help your argument. Nor does the fact that the well established time line of the ISIS terrorist group doesn't support your claim either.
Under Obama since the departure of Gates/Panetta and Clinton, the US's foreign policy has been a disaster. The US needs a cohesive message that is a predictable model of behavior. One of the criticisms Gates (no lover of Obama, but an admitted admirer of Hillary Clinton as SecStat) said was that once Obama came to power, our allies couldn't predict how the US would behave. Obama waffles and is almost OVERLY intellectual about it. He made claims about what the US would do in Syria and then ran from that commitment.
Under BUSH
1. During his tenure he kept the US from being attacked again by any other terrorists. He took that charge seriously and while I think we've gone too far, the distances he went initially were not so hard to imagine. Taking ONLY into consideration what we felt and knew in 2001, the measures were highly appropriate. The "wrong" isn't in that we passed all those laws, the "wrong" is that -knowing what we know now- we haven't rolled many of them back.
He did a great job focusing on Africa, especially funding for fighting HIV/AIDS. No president before or since has done more.
He gave us Laura Bush. I think she was a swell First Lady. Whatever you think of GWB, she was a model of a human being during her time as First Lady.
He managed our foreign affairs more effectively. Now, be VERY CAREFUL here in what you read. I am NOT saying that his actual policies were great. But the way he managed foreign affairs was effective. Here's the deal. The US's allies do NOT need to love what the US stands for in any given administration, but they do need to be
1) informed sufficiently and (2) have enough understanding of that model that they can form their policies around it.
Bush managed American/Russian affairs brilliantly. Yes. Brilliantly. Have all the conspiracy nonsense you want, but he understood that you "major in the majors" and one of the majors was Russia. He majored in that. He and Putin had an understanding and that understanding lead to a LOT of positive results -- some of which involved US military forces within the "Russian Sphere" with Russian approval. Obama squandered that.
He managed the covert affairs relations between allies much better. Bush understood that you have overt relations (the State Department) and covert relations (your spy agencies). The US has a special relationship with the Five Eyes + the Netherlands + France. Under Obama, France was peeled off that list and kept on the outside. The French OVERTLY hated the US's foreign policy, but covertly, they LOVED their relationship with the CIA and the other Five Eyes nations. Bush managed that so much better than Obama, the latter having really squandered our great relationship with France.
Did a great job of dismantling international terrorist organizations. The Hunt for Bin Laden started under his administration and while Obama DESERVINGLY gets credit for it happening on his watch, none of that would've been possible were it not for a HUGE increase in the analysis and investigation wings of the CIA, NSA, DIA, NGA and FBI that recruited brilliant minds to do a LOT of leg work that resulted in a lot of the wins that we see today.
Read the entire article, but this kind of sums it up:
_The militant group ISIS was formed as a small insurgent group in Iraq in 2006. Swann noted that while they tried to create problems for the U.S. military, they had no money and no real ability to recruit.
“It wasn’t until 2009 that ISIS shifted its focus from Iraq, where it was largely unsuccessful in developing a foothold, and focused on the civil war in Syria,” Swann said._
So if you follow the timeline, Bill Clinton got ISIS rolling, and they kept their head down until 2014 and the Iraq civil war. Your own links support this and quoting some ones opinion doesn't alter the facts of the time line.
ISIS is a failure of my Democratic party foreign policy.
I don't regal Bill Clinton bring around the presidency much in the early 2000s, nor was he around when Reagan held fund and arm the al-Qaeda in the 80s. So please, tell me again how it was Clinton's fault and this time use a source or two.
ISIS/ISIL first established name was Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999 which was Bill Clintons last term (Bill held office from January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001)
I am not making any claims that are not supported by established facts and dates. I am not referencing any politically biased opinions or articles, either.
The timelines don't support the notion that this ISIS/ISIL thing is a Bush problem, quite the contrary, they really point to it being first a Bill Clinton problem, followed by a Hillary/Obama problem.
The term of Bill Clinton? Too simple.
The timeline of ISIS? Again too simple, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIS
So what raw data do you find to be in error? I am lining up dates and events that go against the opinionated propaganda that has been posted.
2006 was a bussy year in Iraq, Civil war, Saddam was hung, Sectarian violence expanded, the murder rate climbed from 11 to 33 a month, and the al-Askari Mosque bombing took place.
All in all it was not a good year for Iraq, and yes it probably was a formidable time for ISIS but they were still part of al-Qaeda back then.
It does have some truth to it, but unfortunately not enough truth to be true. It is nothing more than simplistic propaganda.
ISIS was founded before the Bush administration, during the last years of the Clinton administration. Its power grew after the civil war in Iraq got in to it's second year due to internal policies of the Iraq government, and then absorbed many of the former Saddam era military and political figures that were broken out of the prison.. The Obama administration did little to halt the spread of the radicalization and Hillary practically enabled it by denying it officially. We know now that she knew what was going on and was doing what she does when the facts don't suit her, she lied to the American people. That is a fact that came out during the e-mail hearings.
In 2006 ISIS spun off of al-Qaeda.
Bush was president in 2006.
Bush illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, dismantling the Iraqi Army, whose now jobless soldiers joined ISIS.
Bush's invasion of Iraq is entirely responsible for ISIS. The fact prove it. All the research proves it. History proves it.
Without the Iraq invasion none of this would have happened. Just because you wish Democrats were these huge incompetent nincompoops doesn't make it true.
Remember, you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
From your very own link: it proclaimed the formation of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in October 2006
So, tell me again how the ISIS was formed in 1999?
ISIS was established in 1999 as _Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād by the infamous Zarqawi (Clinton), changed it's name to ISIS in 2006 (Bush) and separated from al-Qaeda on February 3, 2014 (Obama) and that is when they absorbed the former Saddam regime members.
So, how exactly did Bush make this happen? Seems to me that the withdraw from Iraq before Iraq was ready to stand on it own which plunged it in to a bloody civil war would be what made the growth of ISIS happen.
This:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/01/im-sick-conservatives-being-such-babies
Clinton fucked up, Bush didn't help and Obama just made a mess of things as far as the middle east is concerned.
You give them legitimacy and an excuse that they don't deserve.
You seem to full of accusations but no actual proof to back them up.
tenure; the burgeoning of the 3-letter agencies and their machinery for
spying on the population, the so-called terror attacks on our own soil (can
you say "false flag") and the overall loss of our constitutional rights,
which are the overriding concerns of this administrations goals for the
dubious future. We have seen the enemy, right here in our midst. Say what
you want, but this is the beginning of the end of democracy in this
country, the squabbles between Dems and Repugs notwithstanding. My advice
is, wake the fuck up.
This sort of misinformation doesn't make me all too proud to be a democrat. This is the kind of weaving of the truth that Heinrich Luitpold Himmler would be proud of, revisionists history at its best.
So tell me what your obama has done to preserve the constitution in this country. I'm waiting..
with no recourse whatsoever, which this administration presided over, all I
can hope is that you will disappear in a similar fashion. I'm done arguing
with fucktards and shills.
http://www.civilfreedoms.org/?p=7260
I think you meant ask, though, what has Congress done to restore civil liberties?
That is one of the reasons I stand with Sanders, he has stood and marched with the civil rights movement while the same era was witness to Hillary getting caught lying to the Watergate commission.